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John Taylor's avatar

Hi, thank you for your doing this. It's an important topic and great to know your experience being on the side of the industry/ employee of the industry.

As a customer you are quite right. Times are so tough and to see a complimentary charge added - well that can come off straight away. Why can't the business pay their own staff - I'm not doing it? Nobody gives give me a tip regardless of how I do at my job!. Both valid points from the customers perspective.

I agree it shouldn't be called a service charge and I LOVE your explanation that if the charge was included in the final bill then VAT would be charged on it. I had never thought or considered that. Unfortunately though that may be the only answer as there will always be people who will remove it even just out of principle.

My personal feelings are landlords should be contributing more. Councils also!! In these current times they should be greatful that somebody wants to rent there property and run a business from there. If the property is let then the landlord isn't paying the business rates anymore so extra profit for them on top of the rental income. Councils keep whacking up charges and fees at the drop of a hat making even harder for the business owners. And don't even start me on the energy companies that again eat in to your profit margins which then makes it seem that the 'service charge' is pushed on to the customers to pay the staff. Just my thoughts and feelings as a customer but I have zero restaurant experience so possibly naive from the business side.

Talking about this though either on here, Countertalk or whereever is a great thing and can only help remove barriers for both sides.

Keep up the great work 🙂

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Amanda Harrison's avatar

Thank you for writing so clearly and informatively about this it is really interesting and important to know. I was aware of the tronc but didn't understand the tax and NI implications for staff, customers and the business. We need a fairer way of including variable elements of pay in salary calculations for mortgages etc. Loads of people are affected by this including doctors whose on call pay often doesn't count. One small point - in your calculation of the difference including service in the bill would make I think you have double counted VAT. If the original bill is £100 including 20% VAT then paying VAT on the service charge should just add VAT on £12.50. So an additional £2.50. I may have completely misunderstood this though - which just shows that it is complicated and hard to.work.out I guess

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